Just when I was beginning to think we might get out of our financial mess without a hard landing, last night on his PBS Journal Bill Moyers resuscitated my case of the jitters relative to complex derivatives and hedge funds. Moyers interviewed Robert Kuttner and William Donaldson, former Chairman of the SEC. Note too that Moyers Journal has a blog too.
Both Donaldson and Kuttner advocate re-regulating our financial markets so that "middlemen" could no longer take the lion's share of the gains from latest financial innovations and globalization. It's worth a look. And there are a bunch of good links to learn more from Kuttner, Donaldson, John Bogle and others. Here is a snip from the interview:
WILLIAM DONALDSON: … [People]read every day about the fantastic profits being made by hedge fund managers and so forth. And yet they're out there, two-family, two-- Mom and Dad both working. They say there's no inflation, but they're paying more for gasoline and paying more for the everyday necessities of life, and so forth. So in effect, the great middle class in this country has not-- it's tough. They have not really shared in what's going on now.See also Mark Thoma's Rising Inequality, Oct. 12.BILL MOYERS: Are you saying that this insecurity that you sense in the market has something to do with inequality in America? That is--
ROBERT KUTTNER: Directly. I called my book The Squandering of America because I think the promise of the economy as an economy of shared prosperity is being squandered because the middlemen in the financial markets--
BILL MOYERS: And the middleman is?
ROBERT KUTTNER: Well, it can be a banker, it can be a trader, it can be a broker, it can be someone who's-- running a hedge fund.
BILL MOYERS: So he or she is doing what that you don't like?
ROBERT KUTTNER: They are taking risks that put the whole economy at risk, and they are cutting themselves too big a slice of the pie at the expense of little people. The biggest hedge fund operators make over $1 billion a year. A normal CEO pay packet now is $40 million or $50 million a year. And the median worker in this country despite the fact that GDP is up 18 or 19 percent since 19-- since 2000, hasn't had a raise. Just barely keeping even. So, what I want people to appreciate is that the risks in the financial economy, and the increase in security in the rest of the society, are two sides of the same coin. We've given up on a form of managed capitalism that produced board prosperity. And we need to get it back.
WILLIAM DONALDSON: I'm not quite as pessimistic as Bob is on this. I think when you step back the economy is-- is working pretty well.
ROBERT KUTTNER: For most people.
WILLIAM DONALDSON: For a lot of people. But--
ROBERT KUTTNER: Yeah, I agree.
WILLIAM DONALDSON: --as I said before, I think it's disparate sharing of the wealth. I think we need to pay more attention to the ne-- as you said, the negative aspects of this. I think we need to understand-- what's going on globally in terms of our markets. I'll put in a plug for the people at the SEC. It was and is one of the finest agencies in the country, known for its independence. Known for being nonpolitical. I think that's changed a little bit in recent years, just as everything's become more political. I don't think there's any room for political thought on the SEC commissioners. I think they have one charge and that is to protect investors and to make sure that the rules work. And I think that we've gotta give the SEC the horsepower to do its job. Again, as we were talking earlier, some of these instruments-- they're extremely difficult to understand. Some of the Ph.D.'s that devise them, I'm not sure they really understand them. And you've got people at the SEC who are trying to keep up with that. Trying to understand it. It's a big job.
ROBERT KUTTNER: But the SEC-- does have a wonderful tradition as an independent regulatory agency. However, the commissioners are appointed by the President, they're confirmed by Congress. And the budget is legislated by Congress. Whenever Arthur Levitt, who was the distinguished predecessor of Bill Donaldson, tried to be an aggressive regulator, Congress threatened to cut off his budge. So the forces against regulation in the public interest, as good as the SEC is, are stronger than they had ever been. I don't know if that makes me an optimist or a pessimist.
BILL MOYERS: Are we courting a repeat of '29?
WILLIAM DONALDSON: Well, I think that's a little strong. Again, I think that the Federal Reserve, the Central Bank, has an ability to reverse a downturn, but at great cost. I mean, we haven't mentioned the where the dollar is overseas. We haven't mentioned--
BILL MOYERS: We can't see it.
WILLIAM DONALDSON: Well it's disappearing. BILL MOYERS Through the floor.
WILLIAM DONALDSON: So I think that the central banks have a greater technique and ability to meet this problem. But insofar as they do-- we run into a moral hazard, i.e. we bail out the people who made bad or devious, or whatever you wanna call 'em, investment decisions. So you sort of are saying, "Go ahead and do whatever you want, and you can count on the good old Fed--"
ROBERT KUTTNER: Right, and the risk--
WILLIAM DONALDSON: --"to bail you out.
ROBERT KUTTNER: The risk is that every time we repeat this cycle, we get bigger and riskier bubbles. And with the dollar being in the tank-- it's not a costless kind of bailout. One would have thought that if the dollar were down to 140 Euros there'd be a run on the dollar. We're gonna see inflationary pressures as a result of the cheap dollar. So it's not as if the Fed can simply print more money to bail out these excesses, and there be no cost to everybody else.
BILL MOYERS: Do you agree with Bob Kuttner's thesis that our politics is undermining our prosperity by squandering America?
WILLIAM DONALDSON: Well I think that we are seemingly paralyzed on a number of issues that face the country. Not just in the financial markets, but the resolution of Social Security system, the resolution of the health care system, the rebuilding of our infrastructure, the attention to the environment. All of these things seem to be taking a second seat to issues that have nothing to do with making sure that this great economy we have continues for the benefit of everybody.
PS.. Moyers dealt with another topic near and dear to my heart: Difference, Dissent and Tyranny. In Moyers' interview with Anouar Majid, the two punctuated a point that is the reason why I blog, particularly about government functions. Moyers sums up Majid's main point: "Stifling disagreement and smothering debate … can have dangerous effects on a civilization." Here in the US, we have become a nation steeped in silence in a historical moment when we ought to be "in the streets protesting" and "screaming from the rooftops". Instead we spend way too much of our time watching "reality-based TV" or playing video games."
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