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July 20, 2007

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c!

McCloskey, rather condescendingly, gives an interesting take on what science is and is not. He harps on that all-important-but-always-easy-to-forget point: "correlation does not equal causation." I can't comment on how close he is to the mark on his critique of economics (as I've only taken one economics course), but I wonder if we can't gain some insight into these things from a personal and institutional viewpoint. As follows: academics, I think, are seduced by the idea of simple and elegant "theories of everything." I know that I am. The search for a Grand Unified Theory in physics continues, etc. On its face, I don't think that this is silly... we all live in one universe, one material reality, which darn well might conform to one set of laws. I seriously doubt, however, that we'll ever be simulating the particles of the universe in order to determine how it and everything in it evolves... assuming, of course, that determinism is where it's at in the first place.

All models, of course, are approximations of reality; we don't need to model the motion of every air molecule to get a sense of how an aircraft design might perform, for instance. The question is: where do the models hold, and where don't they? I don't know if this sort of survey has been done in economics, but it seems to be a good first step in reflection. From there, heterodox economists can move beyond critiquing the mainstream and start creating alternative models. I'm not well-versed in the post-autistic economics literature, so perhaps you have a better sense of who is doing these things.

Seth Baum

In my experience, history has a way of finding its way into courses even when they're not explicitly history courses. The macroeconomics course I recently took, which I doubt was exceptional in this regard, was largely a survey of the history of macroeconomic thinking, and even if it was not structured as a history course, it did include a modest amount historical readings. The engineering courses I've taken over the years often sprinkled in historical footnotes as they were relevant to course content; I particularly enjoyed the personal reminiscings of the faculty members about their own experiences over the years. That I never took a history of engineering course (indeed, none were offered) did not, in my estimation, leave me a worse engineer. Lastly, the AP Physics course I recently helped teach was essentially a tour through the history of physics.

Economics, like, say, philosophy, may differ from science and engineering in that much of the knowledge is timeless instead of progressive. Whereas in science and engineering, it often suffices to point to the most recent work, which will have the previous work embedded in it, in economics, the previous work may be so completely off in a different direction that it demands attention.

For example, I would rarely city whatever classic physics publication was the origin of my work. For example, I used Maxwell's equations in my electromagnetics thesis, but I never referenced or even read Maxwell. Maxwell's equations are so thoroughly accepted that it's often appropriate to mention and use them without source. On the other hand, I did trace much of the thesis's more specialized work to its source, and an interesting history emerged from this process. Still, because the phenomena being described (here, electromagnetic wave propagation) are timeless with respect to societal change, there is less need for knowledge to be situated in a historical context.

Meanwhile, I've found great attention to history paid in the economics literature. Work like this on discounting
http://www.mit.edu/people/shanefre/TimeDiscandPref.pdf
is not uncommon. Perhaps because the nature of economics is so much more a function of the society that practices it, I see much more attention to history paid than I did in engineering.

That's not to say that economics couldn't or shouldn't pay more attention to its history. But to say things like "It would be like being an anthropologist who had never heard of Malinowski or an evolutionary biologist who had never heard of Darwin." seems unfair to both natural science and economics.

Dave Iverson

C! says: ". . . where do the models hold, and where don't they? I don't know if this sort of survey has been done in economics, but it seems to be a good first step in reflection."

That is to some extent what we try to do here, for example re: cost benefit analysis. http://forestpolicy.typepad.com/ecoecon/costbenefit_analysis/index.html

C! continues: "From there, heterodox economists can move beyond critiquing the mainstream and start creating alternative models. I'm not well-versed in the post-autistic economics literature, so perhaps you have a better sense of who is doing these things."

The Post Autistic Economics network journal, at http://www.paecon.net/ , is open-acess to the public, as is the journal some adaptive management theorists (linked to the Ecological Economics crowd) write in: Ecology and Society (formerly Conservation Ecology) http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/archive.php

I wish all journals were open to the public. Our conversations would be better-informed.

This little blog, by the by, is not meant to keep everyone up to speed on ecology and economics cross-poliinization. Instead, we just serve up a few tidbits here and there and try to keep things a bit edgy as we do.

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