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February 14, 2007

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sushil_yadav

The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.

The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.


Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.


When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

Emotion ends.

Man becomes machine.

A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.

FAST VISUALS /WORDS MAKE SLOW EMOTIONS EXTINCT.

SCIENTIFIC /INDUSTRIAL /FINANCIAL THINKING DESTROYS EMOTIONAL CIRCUITS.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY CANNOT FEEL PAIN / REMORSE / EMPATHY.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS BE CRUEL TO ANIMALS/ TREES/ AIR/ WATER/ LAND AND TO ITSELF.


To read the complete article please follow either of these links :

http://www.planetsave.com/ps_mambo/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&Itemid=75&func=view&id=68&catid=6

http://www.earthnewswire.com/index.php?option=com_forum&Itemid=89&page=viewtopic&t=11

sushil_yadav

Dave Iverson

SY (from the hyperlinked larger-work) : "Time is running out for this planet."

DI: No. Time may be running out for Western Civilization. But the Planet will do fine. Read Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.s GALAPAGOS, for example. BTW: Stephen Jay Gould once said that Vonnegut's book was the best study in Contingency Theory he'd ever seen. Oh, I think it was Gandhi who once remarked that Western Civilization would be a good idea. The point: there is nothing civilized about it.

SY: "Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.

"Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy.

"Industrial Society is consuming psychiatric drugs/ sleeping pills by tonnes and tonnes.

"A very large percentage of the population is surviving on precription drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

"One-third of the population has become fat like elephants.

"People talk about increase in lifespan. What is the use of increased lifespan if people have to resort to Drugs, Alcohol and Cigarettes to pull through life. And just wait a few more years - the average lifespan will soon become zero - human life will cease to exist on earth."

"We would need several planets [earths] to sustain the present lifestyle. Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth."

DI: Voluntary Simplicity, Deep Ecology, and others work toward the same ends, but with a bit less hostility than I read into your larger work. Cities don't have to go. Thinking doesn't have to stop. etc. But ALL much be rethought. Follow the sidebar to Jim Kuntsler's CLUSTERFUCK NATION for more. Here is a link: http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/


Steven Earl Salmony, Ph.D., M.P.A.

Dear Sushil and Dave,

May I fully agree with the idea that thinking does NOT need to stop. Coherence of mind, clarity of vision and simple courage, based upon the advancements of science, could be required of us now.

Outworn preternatural beliefs about what it means to be human, the placement of humankind within the natural order of living things, and the requirements of practical reality in a physical world need to be replaced by good scientific evidence.

With good science as a guide, there are no challenges that the humanity community cannot address and overcome.

Thankfully,

Steve

chris miller

Uncertainty about just how uncertain the risk is. Sure.

I don't understand how the discount rate matters. Pleasure/addiction now vs no generations later doesn't compute for the future generations. If you are going to talk about discount rate and risk, you are shutting out entirely the future generations. Given that I'm 52 years old, anything you promise me in 50 years is of no value. Killing my children works best.

And that is exactly what our system is doing. What we need is not a discussion of discounting, but a mechanism to bring the seventh generation to that table with real standing.

cfm

Dave Iverson

Chris: "What we need is not a discussion of discounting, but a mechanism to bring the seventh generation to that table with real standing."

Yes.. And that is precisely Weitzman's 'take home message' : quit dealing with this stuff via the "back door". It is also the take home message from many others, including me.

HealOurWaters

I love it when the environment and economics intersect!

There is a coalition coming out with an economic report in a couple weeks showing that cleaning up the Great Lakes will turn out to be CHEAPER in the long-term. Take a look at the site:
http://www.healthylakes.org/

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